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It's a parade, it's a festive occasion of some kind.

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This woman is trying to read another person's thoughts.

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But is mind to mind communication really possible?

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Scientists have been investigating for generations.

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One man's convinced he already has proof.

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He claims that this renowned explorer transmitted thoughts to him from 3000 miles away in the

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Arctic.

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But will the search for the truth about telepathy ever be over?

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Mysteries from the files of Arthur C. Clarke, scientist, writer and visionary.

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The scientist who invented the communication satellite, the writer of 2010.

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And now in retreat in Sri Lanka, the visionary who ponders the riddles of this and other

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worlds.

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About the time I started my writing career, some 50 years ago, I came across this book

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by an American scientist, Dr. J.B. Rine, Extra Sensory Perception.

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I think this was the first time that phrase now usually abbreviated to ESP, ever appeared

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in print.

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In his work, Dr. Rine claimed to have established scientifically the existence of telepathy,

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that is, direct mind to mind communication.

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I was so impressed by Dr. Rine's work that I later used it as a basis for one of my best

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known novels, Child Who's End, which has now gone through 50 editions.

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The idea that we can receive messages from other minds, often from loved ones, at a moment

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of crisis, is very old indeed.

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Probably most people have had such a sensation at some time or other.

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But it is very difficult to prove such cases.

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From their nature, they are seldom well documented.

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Much of the evidence for telepathy occurs in the form of anecdotes, some of which are

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very odd indeed.

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Cedarburg, Wisconsin is the home of Mrs. Joycey Hearth.

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One evening in 1955, her husband and son had gone to the movies.

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Mrs. Hearth's five-year-old daughter, little Joycey, came back late from a birthday party

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and rushed off to join them.

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The movie theater was in the main street.

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Her mother was at home with the washing up.

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She waved goodbye to me and skipped up the street.

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And it wasn't very long until all of a sudden I felt a terrible chill that went all through

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me.

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I dropped the plate I was washing and raised my eyes to heaven and I said, oh, God, don't

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let her get killed.

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At that moment, I knew something awful had happened to my daughter.

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I immediately went to the telephone.

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I could hardly dial because I was shaking so.

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I picked up the receiver.

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I did get the Riverley Theater and a young girl answered the phone.

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I said, this is Mrs. Hearth.

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My daughter was on the way to the theater.

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She's had an accident.

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Is she badly hurt?

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The girl stammered.

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Mrs. Hearth, it, the accident just happened.

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Little Joycee had been hit by a car outside the Riverley.

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Manager Ray Nichols remembers how quickly the call came.

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There was no way that anybody could have got down and talked to Mrs. Hearth about her daughter

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because the phone rang shortly.

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It couldn't have been a few seconds after that her daughter was hurt.

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And she says, was my daughter hurt?

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So I didn't know how she could find out.

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It must be about a what?

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A block and a half, two blocks to her home from here.

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If they'd had a motorcycle waiting for this to happen,

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they couldn't have got down there in the time for her to call

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and the time her daughter got hurt.

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If you take the shortcut, you go up this street.

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And just before the corner, there's a parking lot.

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And you can go through the parking lot and between two buildings

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and come out immediately in front of the theater.

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There's no way I could see it from this angle.

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It's all at the upper part of the street.

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I couldn't possibly see it and on a different street.

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After the accident, Little Joycee's first thought was for her mother.

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And she said, Mama, I sat on the curb and I kept saying,

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Mama, Mama, I want my mama, but not out loud just to myself, she said.

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I didn't hear any sounds whatsoever.

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I had a feeling, a feeling of terror that ran all through me.

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I knew she had had an accident.

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Now, whether I knew it at the time she was hit or whether I had picked up

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her thought of calling me just a few seconds later, I don't know.

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It had to be an extra sensory perception,

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because there was no other way she could have known.

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No way.

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One night in 1952, midwife Gladys Wright was convinced that a patient needed her.

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The telephone line to her Norfolk home had been brought down in a snowstorm.

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The patient, Mrs. Goodwin, was not yet due to give birth,

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but something told Mrs. Wright to go to her.

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We had her tea about five o'clock and I suddenly got this urge.

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She was wanting me, she was in labour or wanted me, you see.

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And then it would go from my mind and come back again.

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And eventually we decided to go to bed about 10 foot in.

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And could I get the sleep? No fear.

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I tossed and turned and this kept going through my mind.

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The longer it went on, the worse it was.

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It was a complete turmoil, really.

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And I thought, oh, well, I decided I'd dress myself and go and see what was going on.

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And with that my husband said, what are you doing?

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I said, I'm going to wait now to see Mrs. Goodwin.

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Well, he said, you are a blithering idiot.

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He said, I should think they'll come for you if they want you.

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And I said, well, the telephones are out. Why?

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He said, well, they'll come for you.

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He said, daft.

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And I still dressed myself and loaded up the car in this filthy night of weather

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and off I go.

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I was delighted when I pulled up outside the gate to see the whole house lit up.

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So I literally ran down the garden path and believe me, there she was.

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My patient was with her hands on the kitchen table.

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Obviously, you were telling strong labor.

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I did want her badly because there was nobody else I could get.

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And the nurse, I mean, the doctor, he was not in the village either.

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So we couldn't get him.

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But fortunately, she appeared the night of the blue.

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The snow, I suppose, really.

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Stephen Goodwin was safely delivered in the early hours.

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His mother's often told him the strange story.

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What do you make of it? What can I say?

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I can't really, can I?

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I was compelled to go without a doubt.

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In mind.

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And she wanted me, didn't she?

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Shirley Evans and Pat Craven are old friends.

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In 1977, Mrs Craven was on holiday in Mombasa, Kenya.

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Mrs Evans at home in Lincolnshire.

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One morning,

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I heard Patty, I was asleep.

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It was dark.

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And she woke me up. She called me.

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As near as I can say it, she was in very great distress.

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And she was saying,

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Oh, Shirley. Oh, Shirley.

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And I woke up. She woke me with that.

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And I could see her.

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I could see her head, shoulders, just below the bus line.

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Now, I must explain that Patty is a very smart lady.

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But she was dressed in the most appalling rag.

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It had a square neck like that.

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The sleeves were all in one.

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It was a...

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It's not the kind of thing anyone, any woman, would wear,

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sort of willingly.

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This bit here was either lace or torn.

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It wasn't the kind of thing that Pat would ever wear.

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But in Kenya, Pat had injured her ankle.

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And in hospital, she'd had to wear a rough cotton gown.

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When I came back and called Shirley,

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the first thing she said was,

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I said, How do you know?

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She says, Well, I saw you in a peculiar gown.

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I said, Yes, I've been in hospital.

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And she said, I made a sketch of it.

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So I said, Oh, have you?

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You see, so she...

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Will you make a sketch of it and see if we can compare notes?

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And so I did.

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And when I went down to Shirley's,

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oh, three or four days later,

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it was more or less identical.

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I don't know how she saw me,

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but I thought of her when I woke up.

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Obviously, she just picked me up.

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Most cases of telepathy appear spontaneous,

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flashes of lightning out of the blue.

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But some people have deliberately attempted

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to establish telepathic connections,

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often over great distances,

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perhaps the most optimistic experimenters of all,

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attempted to transmit thoughts

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across the length and breadth of North America,

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from the icy wastes of the Arctic,

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all the way to an apartment in New York City.

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The man in New York was journalist Harold Sherman.

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Today, he lives in Arkansas with his wife, Martha.

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The results of his extraordinary experiment in telepathy

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are carefully preserved in their country cabin.

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In 1937, Sherman met a famous Arctic explorer,

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Sir Hubert Wilkins.

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Wilkins was preparing a new expedition.

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He'd been hired by the Russian government

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to search for a plane thought to have crashed near the North Pole.

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Everything possible is being done to find our missing aviators.

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Wilkins flew north in a consolidated flying boat.

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Both Wilkins and Sherman were believers in telepathy.

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They agreed to try a long-distance test.

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Three nights a week at 11.30 New York time,

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Wilkins would go over the events of the day in his mind.

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3,000 miles away, Sherman would try to pick up his thoughts.

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Well, Catherine, we've gone 20 miles here.

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We just passed that little church.

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Meanwhile, this man, Reg Iverson,

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was trying to keep in touch with Wilkins in the conventional way

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by shortwave radio.

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40 years on, he's come to reminisce with Sherman

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at his retirement retreat in the Ozark Mountains.

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Let all our kids go!

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Overall, this time.

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Iverson swore on Afidevit which stated that his efforts

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to contact Wilkins had been constantly frustrated

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by poor reception.

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In fact, he'd got through only 13 times in five months

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and attested that Sherman had received more information

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by telepathy than he had by radio.

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One night, Sherman even picked up a message meant for him.

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He got an impression there from...

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an impression that Wilkins had an urgent message for me

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to cancel an order for a piece of radio equipment

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for one of the members of the crew, of the searchlight crew.

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And the next day, when I went down to the office,

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there was this message here for me,

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sure enough, canceling the order for a radio receiver

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for a Pollock Kenyan who was the pilot for the searchlight.

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A leading parapsychologist, Dr Gardner Murphy,

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checked Sherman's impressions against the log

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kept by Wilkins at his base at Klavik in Alaska.

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One day, Wilkins saw a dead dog on the ice.

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It was one of the many details of the expedition

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Sherman says he noted on the day that it happened.

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Another was a fire which broke out in a white house.

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Got a definite fire impression as though a house burning.

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You can see it from your location on the ice.

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I first thought of fire near your tent.

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But this may also be true, but the impression persists.

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It's a white house burning and quite a crowd gathered around.

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People running and hurrying toward the flames.

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Whatever Wilkins did in far-off Klavik, Sherman seemed to know.

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Even the minor discomforts of the expedition did not escape his inner eye.

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I had a feeling at Wilkins and maybe members of his crew

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had bumped their heads on some object I couldn't determine what.

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And I recorded, and these are the actual words,

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sudden severe pain comes to me right side of head.

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And Wilkins wrote me some weeks later,

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this day I and members of my crew could not keep from bumping our heads

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rather severely on the low overhanging stove plates

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which we'd installed in our shelter.

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Sherman's notebooks contained dozens of these impressions,

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later confirmed by the expedition log.

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To Wilkins the success of the telepathy experiment came as consolation,

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for the Russian plane lost in the polar wastes was never found.

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In 1930, in a book called Mental Radio, pioneer telepathy tester Mary Sinclair

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claimed she could reproduce drawings hidden in sealed envelopes.

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One target was a bird's nest. This is what she drew.

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Another of volcano, she was right again.

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But Mary Sinclair's experiments were unsupervised

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and so failed to provide scientific proof.

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Dr. Joseph Banks-Rein was the first to put telepathy testing on a scientific basis.

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Volunteers in his laboratory at Duke University in North Carolina

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took part in thousands of card guessing trials.

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Rein designed a range of scientific apparatus, including special packs of Xenocards

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with distinctive symbols on them.

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By chance alone, one card in each pile should match the target.

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Rein claimed some people by scoring much higher proved the existence of ESP.

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On the other side of the Atlantic, British researchers followed his lead.

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They too set up elaborate precautions. Experimenters were kept apart.

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A set of random numbers determined the target cards

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and next door, the receiver's guesses were carefully logged.

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But though they tried to be more scientific than their predecessors,

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these laboratory pioneers failed to convince the world.

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Today the search goes on with children.

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Which of these pictures shall we choose?

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Which one shall we pick?

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That one there?

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Alright, you press the button.

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The sender chooses one picture from five and concentrates on it.

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The receiver has a 20% chance of guessing right.

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Shall we try another one?

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Which one shall we pick this time?

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That one there. Alright, press the button.

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We got it right.

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More than 2,000 children of various ages were tested.

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The three-year-old scored an extraordinary 46%.

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Now, what you would have expected, according to chance, was 20%.

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In other words, they were scoring more than twice the amount that they should have obtained.

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And this was absolutely outrageous as far as ESP tests went.

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In the next group, the five-year-olds, they were scoring at about 35% accuracy.

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Again, compared to 20% by chance.

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So again, their scores were still very, very high.

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And the last group, the six to eight-year-olds, were down to about 26%.

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So not quite so good, but still statistically very significant.

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Now, what this meant was that here was a very interesting relationship.

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The older the children were, the lower was their ESP score, or vice versa.

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If you want to get a very good score, use very young children.

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Dr. Spinelli believes that telepathy is a gift we are all born with.

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But as we grow up and develop a sense of identity, we learn that we have to keep some thoughts to ourselves.

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As we grow older, we build up mental defences against letting our thoughts escape from our brains or whatever.

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We sort of build up barriers, mental barriers.

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But the child still hasn't learned how to do that.

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And so his thoughts are, in a sense, still very, very open.

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Because of that, then, you would expect better scores in the ESP, and that's what I seem to have found.

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White noise is still quite uneven. It sounds almost like ocean waves breaking.

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The latest technique, the guns felt.

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Seeing only red light and hearing only neutral sound,

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Deborah is cut off from the outside world to make her mind receptive to telepathy.

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Almost images of a rock garden or rock waterfall. A Japanese quality to it.

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The experiment works with having Deborah just talking about her ideas, her impressions,

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and having me writing them down at the same time.

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And at the same time, there's somebody in a distant room who's concentrating on a picture, which might be an art print or something.

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And hopefully some of what the sender, as he's called, is concentrating on will get across to Deborah and come out through her imagery.

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Let us grow in a vegetable patch.

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Grow in inforrows.

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Again, similar reminiscent of the garden my grandparents had when I was a child.

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The general tendency you'll find goes towards one particular picture.

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You might get association to something that's in the picture, like if somebody sees a bicycle and perhaps what's in the picture is a pair of spectacles,

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and they look pretty similar, but they're not exactly the same thing.

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So you can look for correspondences like that, and in general it's that kind of stuff that tends to get you the good results,

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rather than occasional specific, fantastic matches.

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Deborah knows it was one of these four pictures. Can she pick the right one?

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I had actually a great deal of correspondence with this one. I saw a fan number of Disney type characters, which this is a cartoon image thing.

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I saw some animals with the poor hedgehog there.

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My cucumber, Chris being cut in half, could quite easily be one of the cactus shapes.

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A lot of green. This one is the only one that has any real green colors in it.

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I saw tablecloth, which the curtain vaguely reminds me of.

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So I think I'll put that, rank that one as my first choice.

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Well, it's now 50 years since Dr Ryan published his book.

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Yet scientists are still arguing about the very existence of ESP.

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For myself, I must confess I'm getting rather disenchanted with the whole subject.

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I feel that if it was really anything in telepathy, by this time the arguments would be over.

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We wouldn't still be waving our arms at one another.

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Besides, if telepathy exists, why isn't it there when we really need it?

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What could be more valuable?

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Think of all the thousands of lives that would be saved every year if we could send mental messages from mind to mind.

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Yet, though I'm disenchanted, I'm not completely disillusioned.

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I still think that there might be something in telepathy.

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So I'm rather glad that serious researchers are still collecting these often puzzling and always fascinating stories.

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In 1947, Leslie Bowie was in the RAF.

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He shared a tent at El Ferdinand in Egypt with another airman, Jock McLean.

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His life was a picture of comfort until one night.

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I woke up with the most terrible pain in this finger.

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Nowhere else, just in that one finger.

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It got so bad, gradually the pain went up my arm until I must have been almost crying out with agony.

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Old Jock wakes up and said, whatever's the matter?

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We both got out of bed, sat on the side, he went outside, took my mug, got some cold water out of the chatty, poured it in,

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and said, here, put your finger in this.

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So I sat there, my finger in the mug on my wooden locker, like that, just to try and ease it.

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Leslie was in pain for hours.

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Unknown to him, so was his wife back home in England.

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At work, a piece of metal swath had become embedded in her finger.

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This is the finger, and the pain, well, it was down there where it was cut and where the swath was.

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And the pain, of course, was terrific, and it throbbed down my hand and my arm.

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And then the doctor said, well, come and see me in my surgery in the village, which I did.

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And I went and he lanced it. And what a relief it was.

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May wrote to Leslie about her finger, while from Egypt Leslie was writing to May about his.

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I made it my business to ask May which finger it was that she'd suffered, and it was the same one.

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And by working out the time factor of the United Kingdom and Egypt,

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at the very moment that May must have been at the doctor suffering this agony of this lancing of this septic finger,

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was exactly the same moment that I was suffering in the tent at Elferdown 4000 miles away.

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Next week, Stigmata, the wounds of Christ?